Building the best AR-10 possible can be a daunting challenge. Building an AR-15, once you know the basics, is rather simple. Building an AR-10, however…I’ve seen even the best-laid plans go awry.
Avoiding that Sinking Feeling
I love to build, but I don’t like to waste money and time. I don’t like returning gun parts…and I really don’t like rage-quitting builds due to incompatible parts that, in theory, should “work.” That hopeless, sinking-stomach sensation of being completely and utterly stuck, with no one manufacturer to blame is not one I want to feel again.
To discuss building the best AR-10 possible with the best AR-10 lower and upper combination in frustration-free fashion, I sought out opinions from shooters, manufacturers and retailers.
I spoke with former Army Ranger and best-selling author, Ryan Cleckner. I reached out to Eli Koransky of Aero Precision, as well as Dustin Pitcher, owner of AR15discounts.com. Dustin has a lot of insight into builders piecing together functioning AR-10s.
Building the Best AR-10 – Different Perspectives, Same Solution
Attempting to build the best AR-10 possible…I knew it could be a challenge. During my conversation with Ryan Cleckner, my confidence was certainly NOT improved.
Building the Best AR-10 – A Professional Shooter’s Perspective
“AR-10s are very tough to build. The problem is there is no standard to the AR-10 like there is for the AR-15. There is no accepted agreement on what an AR-10 is. There are major camps, but there are others out there…so very quickly you can run into gas issues, fit issues. I’ve known guys who go crazy about their build lists and research it to no end, and then they get all the parts and realize they don’t even fit together.”Ryan Cleckner
Rings a bell…and just what I’m looking to avoid…So then, I asked…what is my best chance of success?
“If you’re building one, buy it all together,” Cleckner advised.
Building the Best AR-10 – A Builder’s Perspective
Dustin Pitcher, my friend from AR15Discounts, who converses with AR builders, day in and day
“One of the nice things about buying an upper and a lower and a lower parts kit from the same company is at least you know it’s going to fit. It can be a mess otherwise if you’re not careful.
There are two patterns, the DPMS pattern which is also known as LR-308 and AR-10, which is an Armalite pattern. It’s basically the angle towards the rear of the lower receiver, where the upper and lower meet up in an area. One is curved more like an AR-15 and one is angled. The DPMS pattern is more popular, but there are a bunch of parts out there for the Armalite AR-10 that may or may not work. ”Dustin Pitcher – AR15Discounts.com
“I know from experience that even among DPMS pattern receivers, there can be differences in the height of the top rail that determine where the rail of the handguard meets up with the rail of the receiver. In addition to it being unsightly, if you’re using iron sights, you can’t have one sight lower than the other for obvious reasons.”Dustin Pitcher – AR15Discounts.com
Building the Best AR-10 – An Industry Perspective
Speaking with Eli from Aero Precision about building the best AR-10 possible, his advice mirrored Ryan and
“You really are doing yourself a disservice if you are building an AR-10 and you mix manufacturers. There is no mil-spec for what an AR-10 is. There are multiple patterns, but more than that, all manufacturers have slightly different variations between how their stuff works versus another manufacturer. It’s not uncommon that you buy a lower marked as DPMS and an upper marked as DPMS only to find them not working together because of minor internal changes
that onemanufacturer did.
My advice if building an AR-10 is, at the very least, buy matching upper and lower receivers. Even better, buy matching uppers, and handguards so you can give yourself the best opportunity of coming out with a solution that is going to work right away, without having to do many, if any modifications or tuning.”Eli Koransky – Aero Precision
Building the Best AR-10 – The Builder’s Set Solution
Not one to ignore advice heard repeatedly from such a wide variety of sources, I decided that to build the best AR-10 possible, I’d go ahead and get a builder’s kit. After a ton of research and advice from fellow builders, there are two sets I can comfortably recommend today without hesitation.
Best AR-10 Builder’s Kits
Should you have glowing experiences with other sets, please let us know in the comments below. I’m happy to
About his Aero Precision’s M5 Buider’s Set, Koransky explained:
“We offer complete Aero Precision M5 rifles, but we focus more on builders, versus coming up with a canned solution. There’s a personal gratification when you build your own rifle that is every bit as exciting as actually owning it, if not the best part of owning one. Modularity is the beauty of this AR platform, and we don’t want to take away from someone’s ability to personalize their builds. The M5 Builder’s Set allows this. You get the parts you must have compatible in one set, and then the builder can
stretchout from there with confidence.”
An AR-10 That Just Works – Other Paths to Consider
So what if all this talk of compatibility has scared you off? It shouldn’t have…but, is there another way to obtain an AR-10 that works reliably? There are two, actually. One involves buying and possibly tweaking an existing rifle, and the other involves taking the plunge into complete good-to-go, off-the-shelf rifles.
1. Build Up
“One thing you can do is start with one and add on to it. Buy yourself a midline rifle and slowly upgrade, piece by piece. If it doesn’t for work you, you still have a functioning rifle while you figure it out.Ryan Cleckner
2. Throw Down
For the cost of headaches and return labels, what about just going for it, and just buying an off-the-shelf, factory AR-10?
Sounds easy, but not so fast…Even then, it’s not necessarily
“Most AR-10s I shoot have problems. They are either too hard to operate…the simple things, just locking the bolt to the rear, can be a pain with AR-10s. Especially in these so-called “premium” AR-10s.
For example…You are in prone position, you go to lock the bolt to the rear…you think you did it, but in fact, you have the bolt catch caught on the front of the bolt carrier…or that last little bit is just so hard to get the bolt all the way to the rear. Again, you or I standing at a table, you could do it…but it’s a pain when you’re in the prone, or when the gun is a little dirty and you are trying to clear a malfunction.
The other problem for me is the lack of a forward assist. I don’t think a forward assist is necessarily needed on an AR-15 for most people, but on an AR-10 it’s really handy. The bigger the bullet, the more mag tension trying to get that thing fed. Very often, the bolts don’t go all the way home even pulling all the way from the rear and releasing it. So you’re stuck with your finger or thumb trying to push on the bolt carrier to try to get it to physically to go into battery. Because of this, having a forward assist on an AR-10 is actually handy.”Ryan Cleckner
Off-the-Shelf Best AR-10 Picks
As a sucker for large platform ARs, I have collected several of the rifles listed below. The remainder (one not yet released & the V Seven)
That said, this is not an exhaustive list. I’m also not going to rank these. I do believe if you purchased any of the following, you would have a rifle you’d probably be happy with and could reasonably trust to function
And yes, I do understand that many of these are expensive, and I know they’re not for everyone. I’m also painfully aware of the fact you can buy one of these and still have issues. I’ve had my share of frustration with “premium” AR-10s over the years. So again, this is a starting point based on in-depth conversations and first-hand experiences…if you have different experiences with these, pro or con, please let us know in the comments.
I’ll start this list with the most intriguing, and the rifle I most want to see at SHOT Show 2019. This is the rifle that also has our expert shooter, Ryan Cleckner, not prone to hyperbole or hype, very excited.
“You have got to check out when Barrett’s REC10 comes out…it’s amazing. I think Barrett is going to kill it with that thing. It’s the best AR-10 I’ve shot hands down. I had it a year and half ago, and playing with it…it is night and day over everything else in my opinion.”
So, what it about the Barrett REC10 that makes it so special?
“I am very critical of firearms, I couldn’t believe I was just so in love with it when I was shooting it. I was laughing while laying in prone with it, saying “hey guys, watch this…I can lock the bolt back to the rear, easy like it should be.”
The gun just cycles. it doesn’t have ejection problems like so many AR-10s have. I said, “Look how accurate it is. They actually put a decent trigger in it. Look, its reliable! Look! an
ambisafety!” All the little things they did right on it.”
“In my video on canting a rifle, that video is the REC10. Nobody knows it’s a REC10…but they did everything right on that one. It’s going to take the everything by storm”Ryan Cleckner
Daniel Defense DD5V2
“I think Daniel Defense is second. In my experience, with it, I definitely think it belongs on the short list.”Ryan Cleckner
Now, I agree with Ryan that the Daniel Defense DD5 is nice, but that said, for the price (they’re not cheap), I would personally consider saving for one of the other rifles below. Also, if you are going to run a dedicated suppressor, I’d do some DEEP research first, and if you don’t like what you find, do not be afraid to look elsewhere. I’ll admit I had issues with my DD5V1 when suppressed, and a Google search online might perhaps reveal similar experiences.
I’ve gone back and forth on this, and my opinions could change again after I pick up a REC10, but my personal favorite rifle in 7.62 today is the H&K MR762…In the video below, Colion Noir really captures my feelings on my piston-driven MR762 when he says there is a “premium for an elevated experience.”
For my money, this is the smoothest, highest quality 7.62 rifle I own. It does feel luxurious, even when compared to the rifle below, which at one time, I thought was the best.
Knight’s Armament SR-25 E2 Advanced Combat Carbine
I was on permanent Cloud 9 for months after I picked up my Knight’s Armament SR-25 E2 AAC. I admit freely I have an irrational love and obsession with Knight’s Armament, and if I were going to grab ONE rifle, it would be an SR-15 Mod 2. To have its bigger brother in my safe was just an incredible thrill…it took a long time to admit that, yeah, the MR762 is just a touch “smoother.” But, as it stands today, after the H&K MR762, this KAC is my second favorite personal rifle I own in 7.62. Now, that could change depending on my mood…and depending on how the REC10 turns out.
To date, I have had flawless functioning suppressed and unsuppressed with my SR-25 E2 AAC, and the fit and finish
Noveske N6 Switchblock
Full disclosure: I do not own this rifle.
That said, my brother has every rifle on this list (other than the REC10), and prior to writing this, I touched base with him about what rifles to include. He said I need include only one, the Noveske N6 Switchblock.
This is his personal favorite from an accuracy and a fit & finish perspective. Furthermore, he believes the Switchblock makes it the smoothest shooting of the bunch. If I were running full-time suppressed, this one would definitely be on my short list along with the KAC. I’ll be shooting this one soon and doing a full range report…might even run it up against my upcoming Aero Precision M5 build for grins.
JP Enterprises JP LPR07, JP-PSC-12
I’ve recently done literally a half dozen interviews in the past 2 weeks where John Paul and John Paul Enterprises, Inc. is mentioned in reverential, near-mythical terms. Because of this, I reached out to John Paul to discuss many subjects. Next week, I’ll be doing a more in-depth on JP’s large-frame firearms, but for now, just know that they most certainly belong on the short list of top-tier rifles.
This is an addendum to this article as of September 2019. We recently wrote about V Seven. You can find that article here. They’d be a company I’d seriously consider. For the the quality you are getting, built to be lightweight and rugged, this is a rifle that would be on my short list to research as of Fall 2019.
Finally, Ryan Cleckner also mentioned the POF as being a well-made and reliable AR-10, so we’re making it a point to include it here. I personally had sour experience with POF almost a decade ago with an earlier model but that does not mean you should discount this new, updated offering. Times change…maybe? The POF Revolution is a lightweight, piston-driven rifle that is the same size
Bottom line…In doing your research, I’d definitely add this one to the short list to read up on further. That said, POF would personally be my absolute last choice of the rifles listed here.
First of all, the main takeaway from this list of factory rifles is that modern AR-10s are really starting to pick up where the old ones left off. Today’s manufacturers are really refining the AR-10. The designs are smoother, nicer…Functioning is getting better. Manufacturers are taking it to the next level.
In regards to that next level, I’m very curious about the REC10 and I look forward to getting my hands on one as soon as I am able. As is the lightweight offering from V Seven.
In the meantime, I have a build to focus on. As for that, my takeaway on building the best AR-10 is this: If you’re not going to build your own using some sort of builders kit, I’d highly suggest going very slowly and doing a very deep dive on the forums of your choice.
Special thanks to former Army Ranger and best-selling author, Ryan Cleckner, Eli Koransky of Aero Precision, and Dustin Pitcher, owner of AR15discounts.com for taking the time to speak with me about this topic.
Finally, as promised above, here is my 6.5 Creedmoor AR-10 build list, should you want to mimic what I believe will be a success at a price that does not destroy my bank account while I save for
- Aero Precision M5E1 Builder Set
- Aero Precision Nickel Boron 308 / 6.5 Creedmoor BCG
- Geissele Super Semi-Automatic Enhanced (SSA-E) Trigger
- Odin Works 22″ 6.5 Creedmoor Barrel w/ Tunable Gas Block & Gas Tube
- Magpul SL-S Stock
- Strike Industries AR-10 / LR-308 Charging Handle
- VG6 Precision Gamma 7.62 Muzzle Brake
- Armaspec Stealth Recoil Spring (SRS-308)
- Mil-Spec 7075 Carbine Receiver Extension (Buffer Tube)
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Finally a good AR-10 article. Well done!
I personally own one AR-10 at this time, a POF Piston gun, Gen4 EDGE P308 SPR (18.5″ barrel w/triple port brake), in Robar NP3 finish, topped off with a Leupold Mk5 (Tremor3 w/illumination), and an Atlas PSR bi-pod. Heavy AR, but shoots .6 MOA with handloads.
Best of luck with that “AR buyback program” 2020 dems, this AR is not for sale, and any attempt to remove it from my possession will be treated as theft.
We know how to treat theives in Texas. Come and TRY to take it.
Great overall article. I laughed, and said yep! More than once. Fortunately I read a lot, and have come to many of the same conclusions that you’ve emphasized. Again, very good article.
I have built an AR10 chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor. Stayed with Aero Precision lower, upper and handguard. Used a Ballistics Advantage barrel and Aero BCG. No compatibility issues.
As far as buying an AR-10 off the shelf? I purchased a Springfield Saint Victor right after they became available, both my brother and I .
After finding the right specs for the reloads we shoot we have had absolutely no problems with this AR 10. It’s tight and shoots fantastic groups. We have put both rifles thru the grind and they perform perfectly. Granted, we don’t shoot every day but we have put well over a thousand rounds down range with only our reloads to blame for any mal-function. This is one of the best buys I have made
I recently purchased a Springfield Ar-10 Saint Victor. Now, I’m new to this world of AR’s but this rifle shoots flawlessly. Once I got the bullet length right, I have fell in love it.. I’m close to 70 and still shoot some pretty tight groups and this rifle will perform to my ability. No jams, no feed problems, clean or dirty.
AMT tactical has good matching upper/lower sets BUT it appears the magpul mags and the mag catch is installed too low in the lower which puts the mag too low into the upper resulting in spotty feeding.
simply putting a mag up into a lower and measuring with precise instruments reveals significant differences between lowers and a min insert height is not achieved with some lowers.
TY – and what about LaRue and Wilson, about which I have seen very good things, including a famous sniper who stated that his #1 ‘go to’ is a LaRue 308. I am saving up, can only do one, want to do it properly. Respectfully, Robert M. Anderson, 8.5 years, po1 USN
it sounds like the most crucial takeaway from this is upper/lower/handguard compatibility. I already have these and an LPK from Aero. I’ve been looking at the JP matched barrel/bolt combo. Is there a reason I would take the Aero versions over the JP? The JP set is headspaced, which seems like a good idea even though I’ve heard it’s unnecessary. If it really was unnecessary, that increases the selection dramatically. Toolcraft and Criterion offer legitimate choices. I sure wish Geissele and BCM would get into the AR308 game. Then I could be even more indecisive.
I’d have as many JP parts on the gun as possible. I say that just speaking and having spoken to John Paul a few times about his rifles. A matched barrel/bolt combo from JP…hard to go wrong with that if it is in your budget.
It’s really not that expensive considering what you’re getting. But, it isn’t a CHF barrel.
Wow, I’ve got to read this again! Amazing. I need a better gun.
I enjoyed your article as I want to build my own 6.5 and your advice sounded pretty good to me. Thanks
OOPS This article help put me on the right track, Thanks Even though I have a great shooting AR10 I really want to build my own.
thank you for the tips in buying and building an AR-10. The thought having what appeared to be all the parts and some not fitting would be pretty irritating. But I do have one question, who manufactures high end AR-10 with a 7MM-08 barrel and carrier group?
The main issue with the pricey “off the shelf guns” is the strong urge to keep them stock to qualify for factory repairs/tuning. With a build kit (upper/lower/rail), you have a blank canvas to try out, barrels, bolts, triggers, grips, etc. with help from local gunsmiths. Having said that, I must have a Barrett REC10.